50 girls before marriage.
I suspect this represents the outcome of various PUA and Manosphere figures one upping each other into a hyperbolic extreme.
The real advice for young men today, goes Don't MARRY the first woman you sleep with!
If that ever served the interests of men, it became obsolete by around the late 50s..
There exist edge cases and exceptions, but odds run hard against lucking a bona-fide Unicorn into your bed the first time out. It takes experience and reps to learn that Unicorns don't exist, then to replace naive idealism with a SMP version of Realpolitik.
Yes, LTRs hold advantages over hookup culture. But, the counterpoint to this for a young man who aspires to the Marriage and Family life, faces a distinct disadvantage in the marriage marketplace if he passes 25 with just 1 or 2 LTR notches in his bed post.
Divorce laws as they stand, make the stakes dangerously high, selecting a wife candidate with more blind trust than actual experience.
I've had a much more pleasant experience when I was into social dance, and I would recommend men to try it.
Maybe because the scene in my city centered around dance schools and their parties, and the instructors usually monitored and discouraged extreme behavior in there.
It might also have to do with the kind of dance, e.g. I expect Latin to have more cluster B's than Rock 'n' Roll or Tango. It might also have to do with Europe vs the US.
@Vermillion-Rx Yeah, I totally second this, based on my young experiences in the 80s, going to "nicer" clubs in the 80s. The whole thing reminded me of the joke about the cop approaching a drunk walking back and forth under a streetlamp who said he's searching for his keys. The friendly cop asks where did you lose them? Down the block he says, but the light is much better right here. I was raised in an intact household to treat women respectfully, but my age cohort was the first wave of children of easy divorce. Over and over, I'd ask some girl to dance, and she'd look me up and down quickly and give some noncommittal response if not outright reject me. Then, I'd see that same girl on the dance floor a minute later with a total Compton hood rat. That environment favors the more flamboyant and aggressive end of the male population. Inexperienced and nonassertive guys like I was back then, can't compete well in dance clubs.
Read MoreI'll keep your opinion in mind for future reference...
BUT...
...what I've watched from him is solid.
I saw you object to him using money for women. We all pay for women one way or another, and money is probably the cheapest way there is. I've told guys to pay quite a few times. Usually virgins, because I don't mingle much with the rich, but I guess I'd tell rich guys to pay as well.
Do you have a specific snippet that highlights his "idiocy", other than that?
@First-light performativity is all they can perceive. You do... something, and... something happens.
Isn't it magic?
@Bozza take care not to let a sense of scarcity unduly influence your motivations and behavior during the date. It would be a normal/expected subconscious response after such a long dry spell.
Outcome independence, can help a guy relax and engage in the moment.
@MentORPHEUS You would be astounded by how the air force teaches their pilots....
Extremely drunk woman knocks down light poles, then gives officers belligerent attitude while her car is smashed into a tree in someone's front yard.
@Vermillion-Rx studying psychology and neurology alone, is like learning to drive a car by reading design books and repair manuals only. You learn nothing about practical rules of the road, navigation, and competitive techniques to engage rush hour or win races. Maslow brought me a lot of insight, but adding Machiavelli would have given young me practical tactics and ideas.