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First-light
34m ago  The Hub

@Durek_The_Bald As I used to say to my ex "It ain't easy being this bad" (Being the cheat who stuck around).

Deciding to cheat rather than dump her is not easy. The more selfish decision to dump is going to be a lot easier long term. I would recommend it to men in most cases as women today as society forgives you easier but life is not always as simple as we would wish it to be.

    

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First-light
44m ago  The Hub

@adam-l Yes the problem is that ultimately men lack authority these days. The law and western culture (which the law only reflects) forbid men to have authority and give it instead to women.

You can act assertive and hope she likes it. This is however, basically LARPing. In the end any time she wants to end the LARP, she just says "Stop or its abuse" and you either make a rapid change tail between your legs or you lose big time.

In the end what male leadership means these days is you are allowed steer the ship where she wants it to go. You had better be at the helm in any poor weather too or you are a let down. Make sure the ship is up together and load good supplies too. Don't ask her to swab the decks, be a gentleman. When the sun comes out you can put her out a deck chair and organise the band to play for her. You can have the captain's hat if you don't get bigger than the boots she cuts for you but this is not a trade ship its a fucking cruise ship and if you are thinking of quitting, remember Princess owns the deeds to "your" ship.

Any veneer of male authority is just that a veneer. Anyone who thinks that if you have the red pill then you can out alpha her, is not understanding the dynamics of LTRs where short term tricks mean nothing. If she likes you being all alpha for her to stand behind and be led by in the dance of her being amazing, it will be fine being all alpha but in the end if you are not going her way, she has the power to put you on the prison bus or the highway.

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Typo-MAGAshiv
5h ago  The Hub
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@adam-l

The amazing thing is, young men that have a shitload of experience on short-terming women have no clue what they're up for after their marriage crosses the 7, 10, 20 year mark.

That was me. Longest "relationships" I had before this one were 3 months, maybe 5.

We've been married 20 years, together 21. I really didn't know what I was in for, and if I could do everything over again, I'd have never married anyone, ever.

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adam-l
5h ago  The Hub

@redpillschool

It's like taking your children on a cruise around the world on a rotting ship with a crazy captain. Red Pill on fucking steroids for sure.

The amazing thing is, young men that have a shitload of experience on short-terming women have no clue what they're up for after their marriage crosses the 7, 10, 20 year mark. Yeah, you get better, but she also gets worse.

The bumpy road never ends.

And even if you kludge a raft and take your chances with the ocean, your children are still left on the ship. With the crazy captain.

There are horror stories with about all my friends that are married with children. And I can hear the bomb ticking even in the ones that are currently "doing fine".

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Typo-MAGAshiv
5h ago  The Hub
@Butthead

@redpillschool I thought Elon was putting a stop to all the faggotry?

So much for that!

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Typo-MAGAshiv
5h ago  The Hub
@Butthead

@Durek_The_Bald

2.5 suffer in silence without chasing or after giving up on chasing

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Mate1212
5h ago  The Hub

If you were 20. Told your gf you want kids between 25 - 28. But your not really sure because you don't know if you will have enough money and if she's really worth it. And she tells you it's a bit early 30 - 32 would be fine.

Is this a reason to break up? Did she just tell me your beta and I do like to keep the gates open. Or is it just normal because of the female timeline?

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Typo-MAGAshiv
5h ago  The Hub
@Butthead

@Durek_The_Bald can't tell in print. Have some vcards.

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Durek_The_Bald
5h ago  The Hub

@Typo-MAGAshiv @carnold03 @First-light

Guys, it's a joke.

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Durek_The_Bald
6h ago  The Hub

The respectability of cheating Vs. chasing:

Men who cheat on their frigid spouses are generally looked upon less favourably than men who keep chasing their frigid spouses. Not only by women, by other men as well. And not least, by themselves.

Granted, the guy who keeps chasing will feel bad about himself from a "value" point of view. And other people will see it as kinda pathetic and sad. But it won't be an issue with morality, ethics, or respectability.

Meanwhile, the guy who solves his problem by cheating on his wife will think of himself as a piece of shit. Other people will tell him he's a piece of shit. And if he asked online: "Hey, my wife doesn't want to fuck me. Should I cheat on her?", the answer will pretty unanimously be: "No don't cheat, cheating is the worst".

But is cheating really "the worst"? Is it worse than to keep soliciting for sex - covertly and overtly - someone who's already made it abundantly clear she isn't interested in you in that way? More dishes, more date nights, more back rubs, more communication. It's like the guy at the pub who keeps coming up to this chick who keeps rejecting him, trying to talk to her, trying to order her drinks.

Now, we all know this doesn't work. And even people outside this space increasingly know it doesn't work. But that's not my point. My point is: Is it even acceptable behavior, compared to just cheating? Is it more respectable behavior?

I would argue not. I would argue that cheating is preferable to chasing - not just from point of view of " what works" - but from point of view of which type of behaviour is more respectable, and morally sound. If the guy who keeps taking his wife on date nights doesn't feel like a piece of shit - and nobody else is telling him he's a piece of shit - why should the guy who simply cheats be seen as piece of shit?

In order of more to less respectability and moral/ethical soundness, I'd rank the three typical solutions to married men's sexual frustrations like this:

  1. Leave
  2. Cheat
  3. Chase
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