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@Apollo Definitely. For a while, I bought the whole ticket. I believed the sales pitch, that herein lays the truth and the answers to sexual relations, women and all that jazz.
If you notice, though, I have barely posted anything in the last six months at least.
In no way do I mean that in a 'look how great I am' tone. I think there are some valuable stuff in Red Pill, and most guys will read enough in the first couple of months. Things like 'outcome independence, non-needy, strong frame' are all good stuff.
But there was a crossroads I saw, where continuing to visit the sub, post on ASKtrp and make main posts was crossing into a land of hugely and utterly diminishing returns.
A guy who has some healthy level of self-assuredness, non-investment, priorities, value, etc etc, and is still decently normal, isn't coming back and back to Red Pill and Reddit to discuss women, and alpha and read shit from internet strangers on how to live life.
I deactivated Facebook, and spend more time with friends and doing things. When I was too much into Red Pill, I was too self conscious, and it showed. My manager at work noticed it.
Since I stopped visiting and posting so much, I got back to more 'normal' approaches to growth and self development, got back to trusting myself and being authentic and genuine. I've been given a pay rise, soon to be promoted and awesome feedback in general about who I genuinely am. A lot of that came from letting go of this bullshit on the internet, and doing the cardinal sin of 'being youself'.
Like, I think in my first few months I read some good stuff about what women like in a guy and the mentalities to have. Then my intuition said 'if I continue buying into this sub and coming back and writing heaps then I am probably NOT that guy'.
Put it in perspective. How normal is it to document interactions, write field reports about instances with women, search the manosphere for guides and articles endlessly? That's weird. That's autism central.
I had other things in life happen, and eventually just said 'This is pretty gay'.
I have plates, I have good interactions and fun with girls but most importantly I have priorities. Like, life is demanding and walking around worried about Red Pill tactics and hypergamy, and SMV and shit is just not feasible unless you have some deeper shit. The reason is, is because a lot of it is fuelled with insecurity and it begins to show. People pick up on Red Pill weirdness.
Value, confidence and normality doesn't worry about all this shit so much.
I think a lot of the guys are narcissistic, insecure weird dudes who love confirmation bias, sampling errors and weird shit, lol.
I think there is a point, where a guy has take the training wheels off, let go of the guide dog and be willing to walk out in the world with just himself. Otherwise, being glued to Red Pill as a big part of the your identity is actually in conflict with becoming a man who is attractive and has value.Read More
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@Apollo It comes off like an 'external locus of control'.
It depends what guys think influences results and outcomes.
The usually measurable beliefs lay in either 'effort', 'ability', 'task difficulty' or 'luck'.
People with a high external locus of control believe outcomes are influenced by task difficulty and luck, or factors outside of themselves.
People with a high internal locus of control believe effort and ability play a large part in determining outcomes.
Black pillers have a huge external locus of control. It's all 'looks, luck, genetics' blah blah blah.
High external locus of control contributes to more psychological instability, less motivation to engage in self-improvement, anxiety and depression.
High internal locus of control hs been correlated with better mental health, more motivation to improve, more resilience and satisfaction.
Black pillers are the fucking victims of the manosphere. They hand everything to an external locus of control. They are playing a different game, and one destined for misery.Read More
@Apollo I don’t know about the “alpha bucks” thing, but there is no doubt beta bucks, when I was at the bank cashing one of my checks, I wanted a lot of it in cash since I didn’t want to have to withdraw most of it to go party this weekend, and the girls/woman in there seeing all the cash gets their attention fast, and it’s all ages also, old ladies and young ladies when they see a wad of bills.
@Fawk_Face That's the thinking I lean towards.
It's easy to say 'I just like helping guys out'. In reality, they aren't doing much. They are staring at and typing into screens, to guys they will never see or meet.
If you think about how much of their life is lived on-line, the dopamine hits and addiction to the subreddit, time spent constructing written pieces for an invisible crowd...
I start to wonder, 'are these guys any different to any fucktards who spend a large amount of time on Facebook or Instagram or Twitter'?
The sub is a goldmine of fucked up guys.
@TheWhiteRaven The socialist communist shit going on in Universities where they’re threatening to kick students out for having parties on campus or having a large gathering of students and lockdown browsers with cameras watching and recording everything and apps that are tracking students and making us do these health check everyday and of course leaning towards government subsidy is insane these days, and we were supposed to be in the second wave of covid-19 by now. And don’t get me started on all the “black lives matter” and “equality on campus” bullshit emails.
That’s not the bit I’m referring to.
I’m referring to the bits where OP purports that red pill can only give really good results if you aren’t ugly/average looking.
This is a new cope black pillers have come up with: they can no longer say lifting/game/red pill doesn’t work at all so instead they just try to minimise it’s benefits and suggest its more effort than it’s worth for most men.