@Mountainman

The worst results I’ve ever seen…

I’ll try to keep this brief.

I’m no alpha. In fact I consider myself pretty feminine: I’m an artist, I care about everyone, and im pretty conflict avoidant. I’ll confront people, but as of late I’ve have a lot of death in my family and my brother is looking at 6 years in prison so I’m taking care of his bills and house, not much energy left to confront an asshole on the road

With that being said, I’m 6 3, I have a 23-24 FFMI so people can tell I work out. I was told yesterday by a women dispensary clerk that I look like a young Josh Harnett. Granted, I smoke weed and I probably have a scent and I’m self conscious of that. I’m financially very well off and have my own Ecom business that’s doing well. My disposition is pretty opposite to how I look: I’m generally a positive smiley person.

The point of the post: holy actual fuck is my dating life atrocious. Haven’t gotten laid in almost a year and even last year I only slept with 4 women. The feeling I get from being such the stereotypical tall and handsome guy but gets no ass really makes me wish legal euthanasia was a thing. I genuinely feel like I’m letting every man down who isn’t me, like they’d do so much better if they were me.

Approached a woman at the store; “hey which olive oil spray should I get?” Run away from me.

Ask a chick as a dispensary for her number because she seemingly likes me: “I have a bf”

5 numbers off dating apps in the past month: “oh I thought you’d never ask for my number, I’ll text you when I’m back from vacation” *never reaches out, ignores me after i initiate contact

Cold approach on Facebook…she’s receptive. She’s sending me paragraphs and then abruptly leaves me on read. Another woman same thing, and they both leave me on read the same exact day.

A woman I slept with 8 years ago reaches out flirting and I fucking fumble the shit out of it. I was moving apartments and was just so damn anxious.

I could go on and on of all the complete fucking failures I’ve had but yall get the idea. Sure im an anxious person and do not look like my struggles at all, but how is this so detrimental to my dating? You’d think by now id find a decent woman whose done chasing Chads and find my slight nervousness endearing, but they all think I’m disgusting.

I’m probably going to get told to read the side bar when I’ve been reading this material for almost a decade. I’ve had dozens of partners over my life, and a time where I had one gf after the next and was talking to a dozen women at once, sleeping with half of them in a few month period. And now my life is completely the opposite.

Any help or insight would be amazing. Im praying for a little nugget of wisdom to hit home for me. Thanks for reading, or sorry for the shit long post.

Consider investing into a reliable ready reference you can pick up and study to better prepare yourself for engaging the opposite sex. I'd suggest that you get yourself a copy of Doc Love's "The System: The Dating Dictionary". Doc Love, who until his passing was also known as Tom Hodges, wrote a weekly advice column that's archive is mirrored on several mens focused sites and a podcast. His media is a bit pricey, but it's a solid foundation a guy can branch out from in RP aware circles. I'd suggest you review his advice column to decide if his view on dating and relationships is aligned with what you aspire for yourself. To save yourself a search, give this scribed link a gander to find out if his book is something you'd like to add to your library. It should also be available on libgen.

@gargantuanchallenger

Broke frame, girl lost interest, how to recover?

Hey guys. I fumbled a woman so hard and this has kept me wondering how to win her back. I don't need to do this, of course, but I want to try to do it to see what happens.

She is the kind of woman that is independent, has lots of friends and constantly hangs out with them, gives the impression that she doesn't chase, and defintely likes men who are secure about themselves, not clingy or insecure men. I have noticed she also does a ton of shit tests, questioning things I say, for example, to see if I own up to my ideas or if I try to justify them with desperation, if I go into discussions I didnt even wanna go into in the first place.

I started our interactions with a great frame, being secure, independent, not giving too much information, not being needy in any way. We went out on some dates, she slept at my place 3 or 4 times, but I began to like her too much and began to act desperately. As she was NOT head over heels for me after maybe 4 weeks going out, I started to become fearful I would lose her. I stopped being that guy that is self confident, doesn't fear rejection, does not chase, has other choices, exactly the thing that this woman seem to like. I started to act needy, she noticed it, i folded when she questioned me with shit tests. I made the mistake of trying to have a conversation with her on where we were standing, and then her interest started to fade - I felt I sounded insecure when asking about her intentions, and mentioned I was more interested in her than in any other girls. Big mistake. Last time she slept at my place 2 weeks ago was terrible, she just went to sleep after some 2 hours together and she left first thing in the morning. Now shes been ghosting me since then.

I want to fix all of this, but i dont know how. if she already has this vision that I am weak and insecure, don't have other choices (I actually do, but made the mistake of telling her she was the only girl I was really interested in) it should be very hard to change it. But i want to give it a shot. I am thinking of letting 1 or 2 weeks go by and then just send her a text saying something like "Hey, i know i was off last time we met, had my mind elsewhere. lets fix that? X place, 8pm, this Saturday, you in?" Honestly I cant think of anything else that would sound better. What do you guys think? If this doesnt work then its obviously over and Im just going to move on.

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I've no clue what she's done for you to hold her in such high regard, but you should definitely consider investing into a reliable ready reference you can pick up and study to better prepare yourself for engaging the opposite sex. I'd suggest that you get yourself a copy of Doc Love's "The System: The Dating Dictionary". Doc Love, who until his passing was also known as Tom Hodges, wrote a weekly advice column that's archive is mirrored on several mens focused sites and a podcast. His media is a bit pricey, but it's a solid foundation a guy can branch out from in RP aware circles. I'd suggest you review his advice column to decide if his view on dating and relationships is aligned with what you aspire for yourself. To save yourself a search, give this scribed link a gander to find out if his book is something you'd like to add to your library. It should also be available on libgen.

@HighBodyCountVirgin

How does TRP explain the zesty rizz/performative male method?

There's probably a better label for it, but basically when a man leans their personality more towards femininity and flamboyance, almost gay, but they're able to use this to gain trust with women and get really close to them. Think Pedro Pascal, who obsesses over women's nails and shows emotional vulnerability, yet is able to get really touchy feely with women and even grope another man's pregnant celebrity wife. He says he's not gay and, women are obsessed with him, sexually.

From what I've seen it's very effective. Why is this? Because at first glance it seems to go against what we understand about what women are attracted to.

Does it go against TRP principles? Maybe? Maybe not? I mean I'd guess you can still maintain frame, because frame is not necessarily about masculinity or dominance, but rather maintaining integrity with your values, so if you are a zesty mofo, then you need to maintain frame of doing that even when you get called out as just acting.

Reads like you're describing pickup artists than TRP. Study the book instead, it'll provide you a better foundation to branch out from in RP aware circles.

@Mountainman Heh, this could have been written by the me of 30 years ago.

Approached a woman at the store; “hey which olive oil spray should I get?” Run away from me.

Ask a chick as a dispensary for her number because she seemingly likes me: “I have a bf

Women working public facing jobs get hit on ALL the damn time. One of the most jaded and least receptive cohorts that exist, toward cold approaches.

As for the store incident, just piping up out of the blue feels jarring and was probably uncalibrated. Social interactions are seldom purely spontaneous. There were probably missed lead in steps, like proximity and initial eye contact.

It's really worth studying up on, then practicing and refining your applied use of, RULES OF EYE CONTACT. It's one of the important drivers of how social openings proceed. It drives decisions to proceed warmly, coldly, or disconnect, and it happens instantly and almost completely subconsciously. If you're uncalibrated on this step, you wind up blocking most possible social connections at the gate.

I'm here to tell you firsthand: you can arrive at young adulthood without having learned social skills naturally like your neurotypically average cohorts. But with applied study and effort, gain and internalize these skills in say 1 to 2 years.

Eye contact is a subtopic of Kinesics AKA Body Language. College psychology textbooks make a good starting point on the path to catching yourself up on these skills. Once you internalize it, you'll find not just flirting but all kinds of social interactions playing out so much smoother and better than what you're experiencing now.

@NotRokkit

How do I delete my account

Before you delete your account, consider investing into a reliable ready reference you can pick up and study to better prepare yourself for engaging the opposite sex. I'd suggest that you get yourself a copy of Doc Love's "The System: The Dating Dictionary". Doc Love, who until his passing was also known as Tom Hodges, wrote a weekly advice column that's archive is mirrored on several mens focused sites and a podcast. His media is a bit pricey, but it's a solid foundation a guy can branch out from in RP aware circles. I'd suggest you review his advice column to decide if his view on dating and relationships is aligned with what you aspire for yourself. To save yourself a search, give this scribed link a gander to find out if his book is something you'd like to add to your library. It should also be available on libgen.

@Typo-MAGAshiv I'm not on Twitter so my sample size of interactions with users stands at zero. However, I've noticed over the years that it never seems to come up in discussions among left leaning people. I only ever see it referenced by openly right leaning people, when they need an example of an"awful leftist.

Sometimes makes me imagine a Dead Internet Theory Scenario wherein no actual Leftists actually exist there, just right wing trolls.

IRL groups of actual Leftists tend to err on the side of acting TOO passive and TOO nonviolent even in the presence or aftermath of a violent attack or other crime against themselves.

Personally, my answer to the conflict between high regard for the ideal of nonviolent conflict resolution, and unwillingness to keep getting victimized by aggressive or criminal individuals, was to spend many years studying Aikido, which doesn't offer attack techniques but consists of defensive ones.

This after my experience growing up in the 80s, where a big Karate school in town (that later joined the Chuck Norris school franchise) served to crank out the most aggressive and brutal of schoolyard bullies.

@AestheticMan

How to integrate looks into red pill frame?

Hello. Based on the feedbacks, I am quite good looking, but I have found an issue stuffing this trait of mine into the TRP framework. On the other forum I read that following the classic TRP premise of "just be aggressive bro" is mainly for ugly, short guys, and doesn't work with handsome guys. I read that handsome guys need to be humble and kind for women to not be scared of them. And I instinctively found this out a lot of time ago, the best results are when I completely forget about these autistic RP stuff. And I'm just being myself.

The main question is: "Is TRP mainly for uglies / over 50 bald guys ?" ? Because if I even apply TRP, I 100% of the cases come off ass way to strong. This is mainly talking about 18-24 year old girls. The MILF's / high BC women do require some TRP behaviour, but I am not after those excessively used up sluts. Í conclude that being more peaceful is good for younger girls. But what is your inputs? Thank s in advance!

Consider investing into a reliable ready reference you can pick up and study to better prepare yourself for engaging the opposite sex. I'd suggest that you get yourself a copy of Doc Love's "The System: The Dating Dictionary". Doc Love, who until his passing was also known as Tom Hodges, wrote a weekly advice column that's archive is mirrored on several mens focused sites and a podcast. His media is a bit pricey, but it's a solid foundation a guy can branch out from in RP aware circles. I'd suggest you review his advice column to decide if his view on dating and relationships is aligned with what you aspire for yourself. To save yourself a search, give this scribed link a gander to find out if his book is something you'd like to add to your library. It should also be available on libgen.