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I don't know enough about lennon to really comment on that
I can see your point
I still think it's a bit apples and orange though
@Victor I used to think the same thing, but check out the various interviews with James Sexton on YouTube, especially those with Rollo.
He's been a divorce attorney in New York State for like 20 or 25 years.
He has never seen a judge overturn a prenup, whether it was one he drafted himself and defended during divorce, or one he tried to get overturned on behalf of a client during divorce.
They biggest thing is, don't spring it on her on the wedding day. Discuss it months in advance, advise her to get her own legal counsel, etc.
"but but but all those nations the US purchased land from stole the land from the natives!"
I'm on your side, but this isn't the refutation you think.
Our forefathers conquered the land, just like almost everywhere on this planet has been conquered and repopulated by various peoples.
Various Germanic tribes all across Europe. Arabs across the Middle East and North Africa. The Aryans in the Indian Subcontinent. The Mongols and Chinese across Asia. Etc etc etc etc. Oh yeah, and the Native Americans to each other before our forefathers conquered all of them.
@Vermillion-Rx major apples and oranges. See my reply here.
The idea is that you can have an idea about what's "right" or "ideal" but not apply it in your personal life
Therein lies the difference, and I can't believe you don't see it.
In the case of men who unplugged while married, we warn other men based on actions vs. consequences, pragmatic advice rather than anything about "right" or "ideal". It's similar to a guy who lost a hand swimming in crocodile infested waters warning others not to make the same mistake.
In fact, one of the biggest rules at both TRP and MRP is against moralizing. We discuss actions and consequences. "If you do this, here's what's most likely to happen."
None of us who are married are going to tell other men "it's objectively morally wrong to get married, so don't you dare do it".
On the other hand, Lennon, McCartney, Taylor Swift, Billie Eilish, Bernie Sanders, the Clintons, the Obamas, and other champaign socialists will preach to those of us who are working class how it's a moral imperative that we share our meager incomes with those who refuse to work, while sitting on vast fortunes and owning multiple houses and flying in private jets.
It's the worst kind of hypocrisy, and they're all pieces of shit.
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@Typo-MAGAshiv I’ve always wondered why prenups are even a thing when they barely work. It’s like a fart in the wind. Completely useless, and it kinda stinks.
It's unclear in the thread what your original point was since the only reply it spawned from was "as for me" and not discussion about marriage
Archwinger is also on his second marriage. So there is a lot of nuance to bring that up
What was your original point?
They aren't useless.
You:
1) need a very good prenup lawyer
2) it can't be so utterly good that a court perceives it as too unfair or triggers some kind of foolish 'duress' ruling (e.g. she FELT like she HAD to sign it or he wouldn't get married)
Courts are more likely to uphold prenups if a woman had legal representation when she signed it and you've covered your bases legally
The less it looks like she signed the paper without understanding it, the more likely courts are to uphold most of it
I know, it's fucking stupid that an adult woman can willingly sign a document and not have to follow the contract but you unfortunately have to take as many steps as possible to remove the court's infantilization of her out of the picture and demonstrate she knew exactly what she was doing
Read MoreI'm still not understanding how that is relevant
If you don't understand how women work when you get married, and then you realize it was not a good move to make, and the only way out is to willingly lose tons of your shit, I don't see how it somehow reflects a hypocrisy to warn unmarried men who were lucky enough to find TRP while single not to get married
I'm sure a lot of married RP guys would have left their marriages by now if their finances and kids weren't on the line
I'm failing to see the hypocrisy or inconsistency in his stance. It would be another story if he was thoroughly red pilled, told men not to get married, and then got married anyway
Or if he was thoroughly red pilled, got married despite knowing the risks, them quarterbacked afterwards
I'm not seeing how getting married BEFORE you found red pill, and warning guys about marriage AFTER you found red pill, are at odds with eachother
