@absoluteunit

For 25 years I was fat loser virgin, discovered TRP, and now 5 years later I am a jacked virgin with money. Now for the first time of my life women actually put themselves in my proximity, give me all the signals imaginable, brush their tits on me when moving past me, touch my arms all the time, you know the deal. Problem is that I have self isolated during this time and lost most of my social circles and I made the classic mistake of not doing approaches when I was starting out. This is also partly why I isolated myself because I felt shame for being the virgin. Now I only look like I know what I am doing, but the fat loser is still inside me and at this age women expect you to have experience, carry the whole conversation and make all the right moves. I can see them get disappointed when I don't make a move but my social skills are so trash. I can start a conversation but holding it and escalating is where I get lost in my head. Reading another manual won't do shit, I know I have to get out there and fake it until I make it but any advice/tough love you can give me would be appreciated.

Consider investing into a reliable ready reference you can pick up and study to better prepare yourself for engaging the opposite sex. I'd suggest that you get yourself a copy of Doc Love's "The System: The Dating Dictionary". Doc Love, who until his passing was also known as Tom Hodges, wrote a weekly advice column that's archive is mirrored on several mens focused sites and a podcast. His media is a bit pricey, but it's a solid foundation a guy can branch out from in RP aware circles. I'd suggest you review his advice column to decide if his view on dating and relationships is aligned with what you aspire for yourself. To save yourself a search, give this scribed link a gander to find out if his book is something you'd like to add to your library. It should also be available on libgen.

@nr_guidelines

Have I Been Connecting with Women Too Much?

On one hand I've had the experience where all I needed with some women was Attraction and Logistics (and the most basic conversation to fill the air), and they'd bang within 1-2 hours of meeting.

But then I bought into the idea that "not all women are like that," the idea that there are some women who require either some kind of emotional connection, or "liking you as a person" or even basic commonalities before having sex.

So is that a completely blue pilled idea? Is it in fact bad to focus on building a connection with a woman in any way other than sexually, before sex, otherwise the greater the chance of being LTR-zoned or even friend-zoned? *If a guy has short-term value demonstrations, can he get away with "connecting with women"?

Is it the most red pilled way to maximize nothing other than Attraction, Logistics, and Short-term value demonstration? Will all women be hoes and have sex with a man they consider attractive, without any degree of feeling connected?

I heard from a PUA that the four values are Fun, being Interesting, Masculinity and Confidence. Masculinity and Confidence seem congruent with red pill, then the Fun part seems like the point of "connecting." But is the 'Be Interesting' part either completely unnecessary, or is it that what women find interesting is just the more you can show bold moves and alpha traits?

Attempting to answer my own question: Yes, I've been in the past overprioritizing connection, especially over text. However, it doesn't mean that all non-sexual communication is detrimental, especially if it's about "fun." I should focus more on the concept of building short-term value, because even if and when a LTR is wanted, a plate can be turned into one. There is a bigger discussion to be had about a woman's distorted feeling and perception of a man's LTR-value after having short-term sex with him, versus a man's actual ability to run and manage LTR game, but that's a whole other topic. I honestly don't know how ratio-wise women can be split into groups of: 'needing emotional connection before sex' vs. 'don't need it but have stronger comfort-locks' vs. 'true DTF hoes only needing attraction'

Consider investing into a reliable ready reference you can pick up and study to better prepare yourself for engaging the opposite sex. I'd suggest that you get yourself a copy of Doc Love's "The System: The Dating Dictionary". Doc Love, who until his passing was also known as Tom Hodges, wrote a weekly advice column that's archive is mirrored on several mens focused sites and a podcast. His media is a bit pricey, but it's a solid foundation a guy can branch out from in RP aware circles. I'd suggest you review his advice column to decide if his view on dating and relationships is aligned with what you aspire for yourself. To save yourself a search, give this scribed link a gander to find out if his book is something you'd like to add to your library. It should also be available on libgen.

For 25 years I was fat loser virgin, discovered TRP, and now 5 years later I am a jacked virgin with money. Now for the first time of my life women actually put themselves in my proximity, give me all the signals imaginable, brush their tits on me when moving past me, touch my arms all the time, you know the deal. Problem is that I have self isolated during this time and lost most of my social circles and I made the classic mistake of not doing approaches when I was starting out. This is also partly why I isolated myself because I felt shame for being the virgin. Now I only look like I know what I am doing, but the fat loser is still inside me and at this age women expect you to have experience, carry the whole conversation and make all the right moves. I can see them get disappointed when I don't make a move but my social skills are so trash. I can start a conversation but holding it and escalating is where I get lost in my head. Reading another manual won't do shit, I know I have to get out there and fake it until I make it but any advice/tough love you can give me would be appreciated.