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Jocbro
2h ago  The Hub

@redhawkes probably true. I don’t care so much about sex honestly..

    

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First-light
2h ago  The Hub

@redpillschool @redpillschool I agree. Its a different view that is worth examining. I think we can benefit from looking a little more at things from both sides when we consider courtship and life with women.

Red pill and the manosphere began like a life raft from the shipwreck of western culture on the rocks of gynocentrism. Men had been lied to for about a century and gradually deprived of their rights and agency in the world. It was totally natural and logical that the first efforts of red pill men should focus on regaining male agency. Men had been trained that they should exist to give women agency and never look to their own needs. The first red pill advice was naturally focused on men and what you as a man can do to improve your outcomes in life when the odds are loaded against you.

As Red pill thought matures, its focus can widen a little to look at a slightly bigger picture. We are after all supposed to be the leaders of society as well as sovereigns of our households and personal lives. The role of women benefits slightly more study.

It would make little sense if all the agency and all the choosing were on the same side in the world. It would not benefit evolution. Humans are complex creatures and women want mates who add the value they personally need -the right mix of genes to make socially adept children as well as physically adept ones and ideally a man they can work with in rearing their family. Men have agency to make moves and get things done, women have choice over men. Women choose who they invite to make a move.

If you have ever owned a cockerel, you end up feeling sorry for the hens. The article writer has evidently not seen a cockerel mercilessly chase a hen across the yard, peck her into submission, stamping his feet on her tearing a gash in her skin that may never heal and then having his way. Women are not hens, men are not cockerels. In all normal circumstances there is choosing on the female side. Its not just a case of doing the dance right or being big enough or high enough status.

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redhawkes
3h ago  The Hub

@Jocbro

the exact answer was related to “I didn’t think you were really interested in me”

I don’t try to sleep with these women or do anything physical until like date 3/4 and only if it feels right.

You're playing 90's game in 2025.. no wonder why they see you as an eunuch. Jacked/money/status are useless if you don't have game.

Sex first, everything else later. Relationship stuff is her prerogative, she has to earn that.

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Jocbro
5h ago  The Hub

I’ve been on over a hundred dates the past year and a half. 50 percent don’t make it past first date whether it be me ending it or them.

Of the other 50% I’d say probably more than half end it with me or ghost me

I figure nothing to lose so I texted 4 girls that ghosted me in past few months and asked for feedback..

the exact answer was related to “I didn’t think you were really interested in me”

Keep in mind I pay for the dates, let them stay over, etc

How can I even overcome this? How do you seem non chalant/not needy while also displaying interest?

I had a girl end it today because she felt more “like friends”. I picture a fat ugly dude when I hear that - I don’t try to sleep with these women or do anything physical until like date 3/4 and only if it feels right. I’m basically not affectionate at all..

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Lostandhound
5h ago  The Hub

First time in long time I have some abundance of pussy and I got to the point I schedule next meet, source new pussy, but I don't even feel like I need a fuck. I'm actually tired. Feels like I'm trying to eat during 7 fat years so it will last me 7 lean years.

Need to deal with that.

    
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Lostandhound
6h ago  The Hub

[REWORK]

    

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redpillschool
10h ago  The Hub
OG VAG tingler

@First-light yeah I was being dramatic with the "blow to red pill" phrasing. But I do think this is a very different paradigm than models we've used that focus on male agency vs female hypoagency.

I don't think he's concluded any practical advice but it's a jumping off point for improving over the classic cold approach with a 99.99% failure rate.

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SwarmShawarma
10h ago  The Hub

@deeplydisturbed not one dimensional

We have built as people because we could stand up for our team/tribe. If he did it because pussy then not good. If he has strong morale and did it because tribe then he eventually shown not enough calibration to deal with stuff in modern times.

I had a small team that I took care of and looked out for them equally (to my perception). After 2y of not talking to each other dude from the team did me a favour, girl's husband remebered me after 2y and made me a cool offer after accidentally meeting and recognising me.

Sometimes good deeds actually pay off.

feeling like a clown?

OP focuses on his colleague HB and age so probably white knight, but...

    
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deeplydisturbed
11h ago  The Hub
shoe-fucker

White Knight to the rescue!

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adam-l
16h ago  The Hub

@Typo-MAGAshiv hope nothing bad with the missus?

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