@Vermillion-Rx Yeah I generally don't have time for any of that shit.

I don't mind waiting 1 date. 2 in exceptional circumstances.

Sometimes I don't fancy going in for the kill for whatever reason. I have work early. I've got shit to do. Whatever. I'm there for a good time and the lay can wait. But that's my choice rather than hers.

Sometimes the logistics simply don't align.

But if she wants to fuck, she'll make sure that the logistics align for the 2nd date.

If she's still got shit logistics on the 2nd date, then I just cut my losses.

@Musicgoon78

I haven't either mostly because i don't "date" but the last time I "waited" to fuck a girl I was not happy

This was three years ago and after finding out the freaky time she fucked a guy in 5 minutes but made me wait 3-4 meets i became a Skittles Man fuckboi

I haven't looked back at dates or multiple meets since. It's been almost exclusively sane night / first night pulls I was motivated

@Typo-MAGAshiv @Typo-MAGAshiv I'll say that there is no greater kick in the nuts than learning the girl you are with used to be a ho and she isn't like that with you.

I haven't had that problem in my older years simply out of embracing my sexuality and encouraging and pushing boundaries of the women I'm fucking.

@adam-pretty much and it is sad but it is what it is

Cultural forces are messing up whatever is possible of natural biological harmony

@Vermillion-Rx

I would suggest strategizing. You can draw genuine desire from a woman, for a period, but you can no longer invest in her long term, courtesy of feminism. Long-term investment in a woman was only possible when the whole society actively disproved their exiting.

The cup is already broken.

@Typo-MAGAshiv

yup

@Musicgoon78 @Bozza @Kloi

While all 3 of you are right about it being incumbent on the man to take the kind of sex he wants, OP @OPStolen has been complaining about the lackluster sex with this chick for several months now.

I read between the lines that he's tried, and she's declined, but he puts up with it because of other factors (whatever value she adds to his life besides sex).

If I'm wrong about that, then yeah, he definitely needs to try to guide what he wants in the bedroom.

But if she gives him any "I'm not like that anymore" BS, it's time to move on.

@Vermillion-Rx

It's really a cost benefit ratio. Do you get more out of one girl or more out of 5?

And to be clear here: it's rare to find a woman with whom you get more satisfaction than keeping a rotating harem.

But they exist, and they aren't going to put up with being part of a rotation for very long if they want monogamy.

@Typo-MAGAshiv

Yeah for sure

It's really a cost benefit ratio. Do you get more out of one girl or more out of 5?

Of course she is thinking something similar although differently. Do i want this one guy or do I want to keep searching for an upgrade/date others

You really have to look at the overall. I knew a guy with 300 bodies and he was sick of it. It's contextual. People crave human connection and what you want out of it depends on what you have and what you want

(obviously while following praxeology and not being a retard about human nature)

@Vermillion-Rx I've been saying that shit for years.

Not to mention, she has a vote and her standards too.

I've done the harem thing, but as I got more serious with one, I ended up dropping the others because I didn't think I needed them anymore and it was the cost of keeping the one I really wanted.

If you can't be or just don't want to be monogamous, then don't even try.