@gargantuanchallenger

Broke frame, girl lost interest, how to recover?

Hey guys. I fumbled a woman so hard and this has kept me wondering how to win her back. I don't need to do this, of course, but I want to try to do it to see what happens.

She is the kind of woman that is independent, has lots of friends and constantly hangs out with them, gives the impression that she doesn't chase, and defintely likes men who are secure about themselves, not clingy or insecure men. I have noticed she also does a ton of shit tests, questioning things I say, for example, to see if I own up to my ideas or if I try to justify them with desperation, if I go into discussions I didnt even wanna go into in the first place.

I started our interactions with a great frame, being secure, independent, not giving too much information, not being needy in any way. We went out on some dates, she slept at my place 3 or 4 times, but I began to like her too much and began to act desperately. As she was NOT head over heels for me after maybe 4 weeks going out, I started to become fearful I would lose her. I stopped being that guy that is self confident, doesn't fear rejection, does not chase, has other choices, exactly the thing that this woman seem to like. I started to act needy, she noticed it, i folded when she questioned me with shit tests. I made the mistake of trying to have a conversation with her on where we were standing, and then her interest started to fade - I felt I sounded insecure when asking about her intentions, and mentioned I was more interested in her than in any other girls. Big mistake. Last time she slept at my place 2 weeks ago was terrible, she just went to sleep after some 2 hours together and she left first thing in the morning. Now shes been ghosting me since then.

I want to fix all of this, but i dont know how. if she already has this vision that I am weak and insecure, don't have other choices (I actually do, but made the mistake of telling her she was the only girl I was really interested in) it should be very hard to change it. But i want to give it a shot. I am thinking of letting 1 or 2 weeks go by and then just send her a text saying something like "Hey, i know i was off last time we met, had my mind elsewhere. lets fix that? X place, 8pm, this Saturday, you in?" Honestly I cant think of anything else that would sound better. What do you guys think? If this doesnt work then its obviously over and Im just going to move on.

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I've no clue what she's done for you to hold her in such high regard, but you should definitely consider investing into a reliable ready reference you can pick up and study to better prepare yourself for engaging the opposite sex. I'd suggest that you get yourself a copy of Doc Love's "The System: The Dating Dictionary". Doc Love, who until his passing was also known as Tom Hodges, wrote a weekly advice column that's archive is mirrored on several mens focused sites and a podcast. His media is a bit pricey, but it's a solid foundation a guy can branch out from in RP aware circles. I'd suggest you review his advice column to decide if his view on dating and relationships is aligned with what you aspire for yourself. To save yourself a search, give this scribed link a gander to find out if his book is something you'd like to add to your library. It should also be available on libgen.

@HighBodyCountVirgin

How does TRP explain the zesty rizz/performative male method?

There's probably a better label for it, but basically when a man leans their personality more towards femininity and flamboyance, almost gay, but they're able to use this to gain trust with women and get really close to them. Think Pedro Pascal, who obsesses over women's nails and shows emotional vulnerability, yet is able to get really touchy feely with women and even grope another man's pregnant celebrity wife. He says he's not gay and, women are obsessed with him, sexually.

From what I've seen it's very effective. Why is this? Because at first glance it seems to go against what we understand about what women are attracted to.

Does it go against TRP principles? Maybe? Maybe not? I mean I'd guess you can still maintain frame, because frame is not necessarily about masculinity or dominance, but rather maintaining integrity with your values, so if you are a zesty mofo, then you need to maintain frame of doing that even when you get called out as just acting.

Reads like you're describing pickup artists than TRP. Study the book instead, it'll provide you a better foundation to branch out from in RP aware circles.

@NotRokkit

How do I delete my account

Before you delete your account, consider investing into a reliable ready reference you can pick up and study to better prepare yourself for engaging the opposite sex. I'd suggest that you get yourself a copy of Doc Love's "The System: The Dating Dictionary". Doc Love, who until his passing was also known as Tom Hodges, wrote a weekly advice column that's archive is mirrored on several mens focused sites and a podcast. His media is a bit pricey, but it's a solid foundation a guy can branch out from in RP aware circles. I'd suggest you review his advice column to decide if his view on dating and relationships is aligned with what you aspire for yourself. To save yourself a search, give this scribed link a gander to find out if his book is something you'd like to add to your library. It should also be available on libgen.

@AestheticMan

How to integrate looks into red pill frame?

Hello. Based on the feedbacks, I am quite good looking, but I have found an issue stuffing this trait of mine into the TRP framework. On the other forum I read that following the classic TRP premise of "just be aggressive bro" is mainly for ugly, short guys, and doesn't work with handsome guys. I read that handsome guys need to be humble and kind for women to not be scared of them. And I instinctively found this out a lot of time ago, the best results are when I completely forget about these autistic RP stuff. And I'm just being myself.

The main question is: "Is TRP mainly for uglies / over 50 bald guys ?" ? Because if I even apply TRP, I 100% of the cases come off ass way to strong. This is mainly talking about 18-24 year old girls. The MILF's / high BC women do require some TRP behaviour, but I am not after those excessively used up sluts. Í conclude that being more peaceful is good for younger girls. But what is your inputs? Thank s in advance!

Consider investing into a reliable ready reference you can pick up and study to better prepare yourself for engaging the opposite sex. I'd suggest that you get yourself a copy of Doc Love's "The System: The Dating Dictionary". Doc Love, who until his passing was also known as Tom Hodges, wrote a weekly advice column that's archive is mirrored on several mens focused sites and a podcast. His media is a bit pricey, but it's a solid foundation a guy can branch out from in RP aware circles. I'd suggest you review his advice column to decide if his view on dating and relationships is aligned with what you aspire for yourself. To save yourself a search, give this scribed link a gander to find out if his book is something you'd like to add to your library. It should also be available on libgen.

@Red_dead

Can I recover?

I’ll went on three dates with this girl and didnt have sex due to bad logistics.

After 2nd and 3rd date she texted me asking me to go out again.

I just moved back home and have a sick family member and my siblings are home as well for the surgery. I was honestly planning to take a break from dating after fucking 7girls in 3 months but ended up actually having a lot in common with this girl. She paid for our 2nd date too.

I invited her over after second date a couple days later but she had tickets for an event and she later told me should would have came if she had known i meant earlier.

Anyways 3rd date my dad had surgery the next day but I went on the date because it ended up getting postponed and knew id be busy later. Date ended all good we kissed a little like after every date but I could tell she wanted me to escalate and tbh I had too many things on my mind and logistics were shit.

Texted her next day no response. She is away at a family thing all wknd but still its been 2 days so im figuring im cooked. Any way to recover? I think im done with dating for a bit after this to focus on other things so I dont really want to pursue another girl.

You banged your fill, awesome. Study the book. You've got your life, she's got hers, so pace out the outreach, and make time to approach other females if you feel so inclined. I hope your dad has a smooth recovery from his surgery and that your other sick relatives get well too.

@Soupy595

Advice Needed: Is there any legit way out for someone like me?

I’m an18 yo 5'6" Indian guy, and I’d say my looks are pretty average or even below average overall. I came across blackpill stuff when I was around 16, and ever since, it’s kind of messed with my head. It’s been almost two years now, and in that time, I’ve felt pretty miserable. At first, I just rotted. Spent most of my time alone in my room, watching YouTube videos and reading posts on those kinds of forums. It became this toxic cycle I couldn’t pull myself out of. And to be clear. I don’t blame women or anyone else for how attraction works I get it. If I were in their position, I might feel the same. But understanding that didn’t make it any easier to deal with how I felt about myself. For a while, I thought the only way forward was to focus on career and stability , basically becoming the kind of person who’s useful, even if not particularly desirable. I figured maybe that’s how I’d eventually find someone who’s okay with and genuinely likes me. Lately, I’ve been trying to take better care of myself so I can actually feel decent in my own skin. I’m primarily aiming to to improve a little where I can and hopefully build some genuine connection i guess? I don’t know if any of this will work. I just feel like I’m lying to myself sometimes. could anyone offer any some advice from their pov? any sort of advice will be greatly appreciated.

It reads like this is fundamentally a self-confidence issue. The black pill doesn't tend to affect people when they've some degree of confidence in themselves. Unfortunately, there's no easy way to overcome the disappointment you're feeling, or building your self-confidence, outside of pursuing and overcoming the various challenges of life to build it back up. During that time, you come to understand what interests, drives, and motivates you. To that end, I suggest that you do the following ridiculously simple thing. Get yourself two sheets of paper and a pen.

On the first sheet write down a list of things that you've been putting off on the back burner due to work, schooling, or just life in general. It doesn't matter how silly, or stupid the task or idea might be, as long as it's not a criminal act just write it down. When you're done, take the second sheet of paper, and re-write the items from the first list starting with what you believe to be the simplest, easiest task, to the most complicated.

As for females, consider investing into a reliable ready reference you can pick up and study to better prepare yourself for engaging the opposite sex. I'd suggest that you get yourself a copy of Doc Love's "The System: The Dating Dictionary". Doc Love, who until his passing was also known as Tom Hodges, wrote a weekly advice column that's archive is mirrored on several mens focused sites and a podcast. His media is a bit pricey, but it's a solid foundation a guy can branch out from in RP aware circles. I'd suggest you review his advice column to decide if his view on dating and relationships is aligned with what you aspire for yourself. To save yourself a search, give this scribed link a gander to find out if his book is something you'd like to add to your library. It should also be available on libgen.

@MrSupreme

Expert Advice neded - Broke/Unemployed game

Hello everyone,I'll be quick here. For shithole country reasons, my financial situation has been difficult for a few years, i've struggled with unemployment for a while now, but I'm coming out of it this year with a focus on career and not just jobs. Unemployment and low money is not the issue right now, it is only a factor to take into account when gaming and approaching women here, and I am DONE being off the market.

Setting: Most girls here are broke too, unemployed and always looking for a provider guy, particulary on dating apps, There is polarization where guys are either low income or high income, almost no middle class which is where I'm at.

I go out, see guys aged 20-40 and they're all getting laid, they all have a normal love life, not a lot of marriage going around. I am half-broke,I have money to date and get laid, my basic needs are covered, and I am starting my job search as an english teacher in about a week after I get my certificate, so i'm optimistic about finally getting a stable income and a job. I won't reveal how long I've been without pussy, but Vermillion and his story comes to mind, i know it can be done.

I know many of you experienced guys have been through rough economic situations and have still managed to have plates and get laid, so here's the main question: How do i integrate conversation about my situation into gaming without scaring them off?

It has happened countless times where I'm having a fun chat,interest is growing, and the question comes along: "What do you do? What's your job?" And i'm guessing this is where I am failing, cause I have been saying stuff like "I'm finishing some studies to start this new job" "I'm coming out of unemployment in a few weeks" and stuff like that. No matter how I put it, that is the killswitch. They can be 21 year old girls looking for fun or 45 year old good looking women looking for a partner, but once they ask that and I reply I get ghosted. (most of these women are broke ass hotties or proud hard working kinda feminists,many girls asking for some kind of direct money transfer has been very common, even before a first date or even giving their number...)

So how did you guys talk about this stuff when getting your plates? Where am I failing? It has happened so much I just can't put my finger on it. Bitch if you just wanna fuck why are you vetting me like you're looking for the father of your children?

TO ANSWER MY OWN QUESTION: I had success when living abroad, i know I live in a very dysfunctional place, I am open to the idea that I'm not the problem here. So my answer would be to get the money first and then find the girl, simple,basic and where I'm going anyways. I'm very horny, my libido is very healthy and I know It can be done, I wouldn't be even trying if i thought otherwise.

Just reposting to the proper tribe.

If you experienced any degree of success with girls local to the places you were overseas, try your luck going after foreigners in the tourist spots. They'd likely be the most receptive to bang casually with little to no concern for how broke you are than the girls in your country.

Outside of that, the best move for you would be to study the book, engage your income situation, pay your debts, rebuild your savings, and find a stable business you can get into. If anything, aim to diversify your income sources, so that if you lose any single one, you've still got the others to fall back on with breathing room to explore alternates.