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I've noticed a big part of our public discourse is a fight between a pragmatic, analytical view of known details versus the "authority" on the subject. It makes the argument impossible to follow because one side always relies on "trust me" instead of a detail of mechanism.
Masculinity is cultural, relative, and individual.
When something is cultural, it is at least somewhat collectively defined.
When something is relative, it loses meaning outside the proximate context it was created in.
When something is individual, it cannot be transmuted from one person to the other.
It's a "double slit experiment" issue. It changes depending on whether (and how) you are looking.
lol, ok we beg to disagree on that. Some of them have personality. Some are boring and stiff as nails. No need to get into specifics.
I like the 'orgy of knowledge'. I am imagining knowledge somehow having intercourse with more knowledge. Actually, that works pretty well.
@TakeHerToAGayBar Which is why time and again the advice to young men has been: live your life. Go out there and do something. Succeed, fail, whatever. Everyone comes to the realization of masculinity this way sooner or later, even if it is hard to isolate in discussion.
@ships The problem with masculinity is that its core it is a vessel of utility for SOMEONE ELSE - state, family, women, children etc.
It cannot be defined as "redpill" - as in you making yourself your own point of origin - because for the longest time the painful majority of all utility a man could provide was akin to "lighting himself on fire to keep others warm". He would go war and die for someone else's whimsy wishes and ideas of poorly-thought conquest. He would work himself to death so that his children and family wouldn't starve etc.
At the end of the day, the difference between a Spartan warrior and a classical representation of factory worker - if we're to strip it down to the basics, is non-existent - they're both drones working to elevate their hives. The only real difference between them is the necessity of their respective timelines, as one demanded warfare while the other demanded capitalistic productivity.
To digress back to your statement, it is indeed true that every time we discuss masculinity, it regresses into something very "un-masculine", and that is because we're basing our framework on a past that forced men to sacrifice themselves for the so called "greater good". This idea clashes with Redpill because TRP is inherently self-centered.Read More