@Typo-MAGAshiv

I get that it's hard to let go of something that's been part of your identity for over 5 decades

Perhaps you personally, but definitely the body politic at large, project their own top-down, shallow sportsball fan like political identity, onto me.

I hold deeply rooted bottom up political beliefs, based in universal principles. These collectively fall closer to the long dead vestiges of what was once embodied by the Democratic Party. I don't identity with anything the modern farce bearing that name presents, unless it aligns with my core principles. I've been registered as a Libertarian for decades now, but have long been disillusioned that the party is actually nothing more than what critics claim: The party for Republicans who smoke pot. I haven't had even had that superficial identifier in common with the party for 5 years now.

The Democrat and Republican parties BOTH serve oligarch class interests today, while manufacturing a superficial identity anchor in 2 flavors for Normie voters, most perfectly well intentioned, to cling to in showy but impotent opposition to "OTHER SIDE", in a carefully contrived game meant to blow their political wad in ways perfectly safe for establishment interests, yet never getting the post nut clarity needed to unite against our common enemy: the 0.01% ruling CLASS. THIS is the Red Pill of American politics as it exists today.

@Typo-MAGAshiv

When have I said peep about that boat?

Fair, I lumped you in with the entire rest of MAGA on that topic, which they vigorously support and defend, and actively denigrate anyone who questions the legality and propriety of. Watch, I predict it's partially setting precedent for Israel to blow Gaza Relief Flotilla boats out of the water, which MAGA will also gleefully rally behind, equally for the US Veterans boat as the one Greta Thunberg is on.

Not quite what I said, and their powers aren't unconstitutional.

Many of their activities are. They likely tanked a huge investment by South Korea, and gave the rest of the world cause to not think even once about investing in American manufacturing capacity or buying the products of any managing to exist. Again with the entirely of MAGA, possibly excepting yourself, waving the flag and pom poms over.

just 9/11 and the original Persian Gulf War in 1991.

The casus belli was Saddam has WMDS and if we didn't invade the next thing we'd see is a mushroom cloud, and that he attacked poor innocent Kuwait for no reason. There was never an Iranian nuclear program, and only chemical weapons stockpiles were found, which were known about because they were openly sold to Iraq by American weapons companies, when Iraq threatening other Gulf Nations was convenient to America's warped foreign policy goals. Sadam had a legitimate beef with Kuwait slant drilling into petroleum deposits lying under Iraq, and got rebuffed when taking the matter before world legal and diplomatic institutions. America specifically told Saddam, when he threatened to resort to military force as the final resort to resolve the matter, that America had no interest or desire to get involved in conflicts between Arab states.

As for 9/11, it was not a surprise attack any more than 10/7. The CIA took numerous reports of suspicious groups of Arab men taking flight lessons and not fitting the standard profile of legitimate pilot career seekers. That shrub of a man W Bush got a report presented to him, Bin Laden determined to strike within the US, and told the presenter "Your ass has been covered." then probably never gave the written report a second glance.

I don't believe that an intact passport was found on a sidewalk, that 3 buildings collapsed neatly into their own footprints entirely due to airplane damage particularly building 7, that Israelis were NOT seen dancing in celebration as the attacks unfolded, or that other Israelis weren't warned to not go to work in the Twin Towers that day. Neocon run America was itching for a reason to invade Iraq and Afghanistan, and if some American civilians needed to get killed to help manufacture consent, this was an acceptable cost.

@MentORPHEUS

I've seen you fall for official government narratives and defend them like your identity and self esteem depended on them.

O RLY?!

care to link to a few such occasions?

If you use the site's kickass search feature, be sure to enter "+magashiv" instead of my full username. The dash is read as a minus sign.

That boat we blew up totally had drugs on board, and was headed for the USA with them 1000 miles away

When have I said peep about that boat? I didn't follow that story, so I haven't said anything about it.

Ice is only going after the worst of the worst violent criminals, now shut up and give us special unconstitutional powers.

Not quite what I said, and their powers aren't unconstitutional.

When has the official first narrative to big events been truthful? JFK, RFK, 9/11, Gulf Wars, to name a few of the biggest..?

Well, from what you listed alone, just 9/11 and the original Persian Gulf War in 1991.