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@Durek_The_Bald One thing I want to clarify and add to the “being nice is dangerous” trope and other dirt dished on nice guys is that just because it’s possible to abuse and exploit “nice” people, doesn’t make it right. If “nice guys” snap making them dangerous, that should be on the abuser.

Perhaps it would behoove us to categorize various types of “nice” (not merely kind) guys:

1) The white knights and male feminists who throw other men under the bus and pander to women trying to get laid. Sadly, these men WERE rewarded in the past (as literal white knights) with marriage. Our modern dystopia is chivalry taken to the logical extreme.

2) Wimps. Unlike white knights, they simply want to behave and don’t stand up for themselves (or anyone else). This particularly category is thought provoking because our western civilization’s existential crisis can be pinned on the checking-out of most men in personally participating in the political process. I don’t just mean voting, but rather seeing politics in their terms instead of following ideological lines of repeating party talking points. I think our oligarchs favored this because it was convenient to transform western men (back) into feudal serfs. Feminism and white guilt undid CENTURIES of working class social empowerment going back to the Khmelnytsky Uprising and Voltaire.

I like to tell feminists (male or female) that they’re DUPES of the Patriarchy, not rebels against it.

What’s amusing is that women claim to want the above two types of men and, until recently, rewarded them with marriage and children. Wimps brought home a paycheck and handed it to the wife. Modern women want “tough guys” who stand up to them but somehow also will give them what they demand. Ironically, they’ve shot down the very men their revolution claimed to have wanted men to become.

3) This is perhaps what you are referring to as well as the Nice Guys Reddit Channel: Lying psychos pretending to be male feminists or nice guys to get laid and then drop the mask. “Nice guy” for them is simply a tool for them to try to seduce women and the reason for them dropping the mask is they don’t have anything else in their tool box so they lash out.

I’m glad Rule 1 doesn’t apply to me saying this on TRP: I disagree with you in that I believe these women are disproportionately choosing bad boys. Yes, I agree women often muck things up and then blame the man afterwards but in this era, they really are seeking out the worst men for the excitement factor or laziness. There has to be a reason why many of these men have multiple baby mommas. We’re in a modern darwinistic dystopia: Universe 25.

@polishknight continued....

While it’s important to differentiate between how things are and the way they ought to be, it’s also important for us to accept the mantle of leadership because as much as women gripe about wanting men to “lead” (which means to do what’s necessary because they just want to sit around and do nothing), they have a point in that if anyone is going to fix this in our own personal lives and at a community, it’s us. That’s why we’re here after all. There are hundreds of lurkers who simply read TRP and WAATGM and take away valuable lessons without contributing and that’s ok, but if men don’t do something, we cede the initiative to the worst of human impulses

I have a couple of issues with this, personally:

First of all, this sounds like "movement" speech. Like we're here, in this red pill space, to "save the West", and "hold women accountable". To "teach them" what they really should be doing, feeling, etc. That's bordering on "Men's Rights Activism" as far as I'm concerned. That's fine for those who want to do that, and I don't have an issue with there being space for that as well. But to me, personally, that's not what TRP is about.

Secondly, even if one wants to take the "activism" route, I don't think telling women shit is a fruitful strategy. The MRAs have been trying this for decades (appealing to fairness, duty, future of society etc.), and with very little to show for it. Quite ironically, Male's Right Activism is still at a place where a woman's voice carry more weight than that of a man (hence all the most famous, listened to MRAs are women). It's ironic, because it demonstrates the futility of arguing against human natur, rather than to just adapt.

Now, the MGTOWs on the other hand, have accomplished much more in a shorter time span by simply adapting, following that adaptation to its logical conclusion, and walking away. One can of course say a lot about those who label themselves as MGTOWs ("just sent their own way" etc.), but the increasing numbers of men who simply refuse to elope, get married, and have kids have got women worried. A lot of them have probably never heard of 'MGTOW', but just have a gut feeling that tells them "naw, I'm not doing that".

And that's what makes women think: When things start to have actual, real world consequences for what they imagined their lives would become. Being told stuff doesn't do shit for women, they even have a word for that ("mansplaining"). They need to feel it in the core of their being, the existential dread. And that's why MGTOW gets some things rolling, whilst MRA doesn't.

One simply cannot tell women to "lower their standards". Why? Because they don't feel like lowering their standards. And that's the end of that. They know they will be equally unhappy if they find a guy to elope with be ause they "lowered their standard". So might as well be unhappy, and ride the cock carousel with men they at least are into. "The heart wants what the heart wants" is what rules women and their choices.

But let's say, for the sake of argument, a bunch of men online could convince womanhood to lower their standards: Even then, what good would that do for men? Which man out there wants to get with a woman because she "lowered her standards" for him? We know where that ends: It ends in r/deadbedrooms , then r/divorce_men and r/divorcedads. That's where that ends.

So the answer is to be as attractive as you can (the red pill), so that you can call the shots in your personal sphere, even when making room for women in there. Or alternatively, if someone can't quite get there, walk away, and rule your own personal sphere without women in it. Telling women shit, like to "lower their standards", does nothing for men.

WAATGM’s scope is to laugh at the delusional entitlements of modern women and not to respectfully criticize men which is what TRP is for. Since so much shame is directed at men, perhaps it makes sense to state it as, what I seek to do with my daughter, is redirection rather than criticism although sometimes one cannot avoid criticism.

I get that. And that's fine for what it is.

Finally, whenever a woman says “nice guy” in this context, it’s 99% (yeah, I have a study for that!) likely that they’re simply projecting or rationalizing their own unreasonable standards or selfishness onto the men they reject. I disagree with the context of your criticism because it lends credibility to this woman’s thinking.

I think it's kind of absurd to swallow the red pill on one hand, and then on the other hand be upset when women confirm the red pill. Yes, this is what they're like. This is their nature. They think like that because they feel like that because they're biologically programmed to.

Also, we criticise women for creating NiceGuys by not being honest about what they want, and what really makes them tick. But then, when they give us the honest truth, we're upset about that too.

Guys need to make up our minds; Are we red pilled, or are we not?