@Whisper

It's not what we're talking about here, Attempting to tell me what "we" are talking about within this thread that I started must be one of the weakest arguments I've seen you make, in any discussion ever.

"See what you made me do!" is the war cry of sociopaths

This may be true, but you're trying to fit it to the context of the response to systemic oppression of gay people that was initiated and openly waged by conservatives as a key component of their party's identity politics for decades. Your response amounts to victim blaming so blatant as to become itself sociopathic. I believe it also includes some sour grapes over having lost control of this aspect of the "culture wars" leading to the current state of social overcorrection where gay culture enjoys too much immunity from even legit criticism and excess.

I see a lot of common ground between the Manosphere's current battle fronts and those which the gay rights movement won to reach the current state of cultural overcorrection. Instead of pitting ourselves as their enemies, I picture a truce on self determination and live-and-let-live principles, thus depriving the radical left of an automatic bloc of allies rather than allowing it to remain entrenched so for a third generation.

@Whisper Gosh - where to start with this. Firstly, I'm not under 40, sorry to say! And secondly, you write 'money is not a measure of labour' - I said it was a 'store of labour' not a measure of it. You then go on to say that money is a 'piece of technology'. Gosh.

I was only referencing a small part of the Labour Theory of Value: and that is that money can buy future labour, which is what makes money a store of labour. Currently, we have a generation of people that think that value is created from 'assets + technology + labour', whereas the Labour Theory of Value would argue that assets and technology have no value at all without labour. This is what gets me about all the current tech bros and their fantasies of a labourless economy (think drones, AI etc).

It's actually just impossible . They think that tech + assets can replace labour, but they are dead wrong. Tech can only improve the productivity of labour. Assets are useless without labour. A high tech asset + tech requires higher skilled labour to operate and maintain it. They keep flogging the same horse.

The reason why we save for our retirement is so that money can be used to purchase labour.... sometimes that might be direct labour (nurse to jerk me off) or indirect, like I might buy an apple to eat (but that apple will have to have been picked, so the $485.99 that I pay for the apple includes the labour).

That is why I say that money is store of labour. You can invest all you want in assets and tech - but you cannot get around the need for labour.

But.... you seem to go straight into angry mode - so, looks like you're not that interested in Economics. Really not that interested in arguing with you brother, so go well and good luck.

Maybe you ought to be a touch more polite to strangers? What is with all the anger? Roids? Not getting any action? Don't take it out on your fellow men.