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@Stigma was it that bad? I read the books when I was a small child, and from what little I remember, they seemed harmless.
Then again, that was the books...
He makes nothing new
Come on now! I understand archetypes and narrative structures are universal and he employs them for his ideas, but nothing new?
These things are easy to love and easy to reach for. Young men need only be encouraged to dream.
Absolutely, but there in lies the evil of attention grabbing, nutrient free, modern slop! Why wrestle with your place amongst these ideas and ideals when YouTube Shorts go bbrrrrrr
You’re not wrong, but it’s only easy because we’re aware of what it is that is easy in the first place. That Reddit thread shows they don’t even know what they don’t know!
@Stigma Tolkien loved our anglo saxon roots, he loved the lore of the Germanic peoples. He makes nothing new, he just breathes fantasy into the old. The archetypes have been there since the dawn of our people, are there in fact in all the sons of the Yamnaya. These things are easy to love and easy to reach for. Young men need only be encouraged to dream.
LOTR films because that’s where it all peaked twenty years ago.
Critical Drinker had a video about how it all peaked with LOTR. he was right.
@Typo-MAGAshiv LOTR captures just about every positive archetype a man could hope to live by, I reckon.
The one that stands out most is Aragorn. He has to overcome the legacy of Isildur and his forefathers. The throne of Gondor isn’t just given to him as a matter of lineage, he sets out on his own journey to claim his name and future. Perhaps just as poignant is his relationship with Arwen. She chooses to stay in Middle-Earth instead of returning to Valinor. This in itself is a distraction and trial presented to Aragorn - but is prompted by Galadriel that he has his own path to follow regardless of Arwen. Of course! It’s so self-evident! But the Disneyfication of archetypes and journeys to manhood would have Aragorn playing captain save-a-hoe instead of reclaiming Gondor for his own!
…I digress, it really begins and ends with LOTR and if people insist on having their children learn from media it may as well be the LOTR films because that’s where it all peaked twenty years ago.
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@Stigma what little I browsed (I just don't want to slog through that entire thing) was a bunch of movies I've never seen, but then a few mentions of LOTR.
I have to admit that LOTR does have many examples of healthy, positive masculinity, and also shows the men being treated with the respect due to someone who sacrifices as they do.
Most of what I gather as being thought of as "healthy masculinity" in that comments section is just sacrificing for others and getting absolutely nothing out of it. "Setting yourself on fire to keep others warm" as Rollo would say.
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