@chadinthemaking69 That's fine, and I don't want to come across as "it was wrong of you" to troll them. Just understand the opportunity cost to yourself, and the potential wide area dispersed costs to "the manosphere." If you still find occasions where trolling seems best to you, wallow in it.
@chadinthemaking69 "Just trolling" is a personal waste of time in and of itself. Looking at the big picture, "trolling" like that in feminist subs works against men like the ones on TRP.RED who struggle because of hardened and ingrained opinions against men in general and work to improve our lot. In exchange for the few minutes of self-indulgent "fun" trolling, you move the misandry needle upward in large numbers of women and self-appointed feminist allies.
One lesson I've learned early on in politics and activism: You almost NEVER get to witness someone changing their mind and admitting it to you on the spot, when you challenge their existing beliefs. Instead of aiming for a decisive "win" by trolling, or banging skeptics over the head with your different idea until they switch positions or exit the encounter "like sheeple," learn the zen of sharing your position and reasons for believing it, then stop and leave it at that.
Same goes with trying to "red pill" a buddy, especially in the middle of a relationship crisis they're going through. It's easy to unwittingly become too evangelical in your approach, driving away even friends and allies with that process. Given this, you really have to manage your expectations about watching nominal enemies change their minds right before your eyes.
Sometimes it's months or years later, when someone will confide, yeah you were right that time. In the heat of the moment? Almost never.Read More
@chadinthemaking69 The post has gotten removed, but the best I can tell from quotes in the thread, the OP had a disingenuous kind of a "Greetings, fellow women!" vibe to it. Also it looks to have consisted of a large gunny sack of complaints, which become easier to wave off entirely as they become more numerous.
If you want to engage more long term and with a chance of reaching and maybe changing minds, stick to one main topic per post. Also, wherever possible try to write to the perspective of those whose minds you're trying to change, and invoking their self-interests. This in accordance with Heinlein's quote, "Don't try to appeal to a (hu)man's "better nature," for they might not HAVE one. Invoking (their) self-interest gives you more leverage.
With bots and admins and activist and paid staff, reddit is now just as fake as twitter.
Reddit activists remind me of market makers. They just watch and wait. If a stock starts sliding, they swoop in to "provide liquidity" (in reality they just keep the price afloat for the benefit of the company they represent)
So too do Reddit wingnuts just wait for any pro-male or anti-female content and all it takes is 3-5 different user accounts to crap on the content, and a few dozen upvotes and viola! Thread hijacked.
Brigading still happens too, but the link above appears to be manipulated in the way I desrcibed.
That's why I don't go there anymore. It's just a wasteland of whackadoos.
It always was fake.
I decided to troll the askfeminist subreddit and holy fuck. I don’t know a lot about marriage divorce but they’re making it seem like it isn’t as bad as some of the stories I’ve heard.