@woodsmoke

he ancestors of the Palestinians moved in and made themselves at home.

Fast forward a couple thousand years, give or take, and some of the descendants of those to whom Rome had given the boot convinced the Allied Western nations to make it theirs again

This accounting neglects Ottoman Turks holding control over it for centuries as part of their empire, and the British taking it from them, not out of the generosity of their hearts, but in the interests of colonialists and business magnates, who used the "homeland for The Jews" explanation to take control of the resources in that region in the wake of WWI, with Lord Balfour a major figure. The United States took over control in the wake of WWII after Britain's losses therein. Bottom line, it wasn't "bigger allies taking it back for the Jews" it was them using their big guns to take control of the region for their OWN financial benefit.

actually dive deeper into the history of the Jewish people and the various conflicts they have been involved in before judging them for their actions in "Palestine" (which isn't even a real country or ethnic group

OK, though different timelines and accounting of events will emerge depending whether you work from Biblical and Talmudic accounts, or historians and archeologists .

Given that I hold zero religious beliefs or ties, I'll start with the premise that any claim that God promised specific real estate to specific peoples, gets rejected out of hand, with prejudice that it amounts to bullshit.

"Palestine" (which isn't even a real country or ethnic group)

Wrong, back to the late bronze age circa 12th century BCE, a geographic designation of Palastu, Philistia, and Palestine has existed. The name, and narrative surrounding its origin and history, got re-written by the victors of many wars, takeovers, and sackings over literally thousands of years, not to mention to fit semi modern retro historical rewritings by the likes of King James.

The modern fucking mess there resulted from Western colonialism, aiming to exploit the abundant resources of the Middle East and North Africa, starting with the British in 1918 then assumed by America in 1948. We still have the audacity today to call Israel "our unsinkable aircraft carrier. "

Palestine as a state is now recognized by some 193 member countries of the UN, the exceptions being Israel. The United States, and a handful of pissant tiny island nations dependent on keeping the good graces of the USA.

Palestinian as an ethnicity is also recognized by the UN, consolidated from nomadic tribes that have lived in the area since the Bronze age. Calling an entire cohort of people Fake. Derives from a Slave Morality. Not something I sign on to.

I remember someone like GLO (but not) saying here, "We tried to give the Jews a home where they could shut the fuck up and live in peace, but they couldn't handle that..."

Palestinians hold a legitimate grudge over ongoing Israeli subjugation and land theft, with 3/4 million Jews placed in "settlements ", a euphemism for Official state run theft of land internationally recognized as Palestinian.

@kawzero

Forum Post Title: Should I Next Her, Pivot to the Roommate, or Just Grind? Cold Analysis Needed.

TL;DR: Met (Girl A) while helping a friend move. She showed high interest (playful, compliant, invested). Got her number, waited 5 days, then tried to set up a date. She flaked/hesitated several times, answered once with uncertainty, then missed my confirmation call. I’ve decided to next her. Her Roommate (Girl B) showed IOIs; considering whether to pivot or focus on grind. Need blunt feedback.

BACKGROUND: I’m a guy in my mid-twenties who has been deeply studying Red Pill philosophy and Game (Have read, Swinggcat, Mystery, Rollo Tomassi, Corey Wayne etc) after realizing my own past beta tendencies. I'm actively working on building a high-value frame. Here’s my current situation:

FINANCES: I just finished university. I'm not rich yet, but I'm financially independent through freelance tech gigs, able to cover my needs and my own rented apartment. I'm working on executing my own startup idea.

PHYSIQUE: I've been lifting consistently for 1 year and 5 months and have built significant muscle.

LOOKS: To be objective, I'm a good-looking guy, around an 8/8.5 on the scale. I've received high levels of admiration and IOIs from girls since I was young. (I even had an extreme incident as a child where an older girl aggressively came onto me, which I mention only to underscore the level of attention I've gotten. When I was 7 (2007), a girl tried to seduce me but I ran away and nothing happened).

MY CORE ISSUE: Despite the IOIs, I have never spun plates or had sex. I'm still a virgin. I typically either screw things up by becoming needy/beta, chatting on Whatsapp too much, etc. after the initial approach, OR sometimes I just lose interest and ignore the girl early on, failing to capitalize on the opportunities. My mission is to break this cycle by fully internalizing Redpill and game doctrine, achieving an alpha frame—outcome independence, leading, and eliminating neediness.

THE SITUATION: It was Monday, I was helping a friend move his last items out of his old apartment, which five new female roommates had just moved into.

THE INITIAL INTERACTION (The Meet): While moving a couch, one of the girls offered to help. I delayed and said, "If you want." Before she could move, her roommate, let's call her (Girl A), stepped up, grabbed the couch, and said, "Let's go." We carried it out together.

I then said, "Sorry, there's one more thing, the TV stand." She said, "No problem," and we moved that too. She even stayed by the truck with me, helping arrange the items with the driver—showing high investment.

After we left, we had to return for one last item. I called (Girl A) over, saying I had a question. She joked, "Hope I'm not in trouble?" I played along, "Well, maybe, we'll find out."

As we walked out, I teased her:

Me: "Are you above trouble?"

Her: "Yes."

Me: "What makes you think you're above trouble?"

She just smiled, unable to answer. We were outside now. I introduced myself, made small talk, and then went for the close.

Me: "I might not see you again. Let me have your number, if that's fine with you."

Her: "Okay, but I don't know it by heart. Give me your number, I'll flash you, and you can save it."

Me (teasing): "You said you're above trouble but don't know your number?" I gave her my phone; she called it right there. I saved it, and we said goodnight.

Her compliance, investment, and playfulness felt like high interest (8/10+).

THE FOLLOW-UP & THE PROBLEM (Full TIMELINE WITH ALL CALLS):

SATURDAY (5 days later, 10:00 AM): I called to set up a same-day meet for 7:00 PM. She didn't pick, but called back ~5 minutes later.

Me: "What's up, what's going on?"

Her: "Fine."

Me: "Let's meet today, 7pm."

Her: "Uhm... Let me see how it will be, cuz I'm on my way to school right now."

Me: "Okay."

I said nothing else and the call ended. I expected if she was interested, she'd text me later if she could make it. She never did that evening.

TUESDAY (3 days after the Saturday flake): I called again to set up a meet for Wednesday. She didn't pick and did not call back.

WEDNESDAY: I called one last time that around 7pm. She picked the call in seconds and greeted me "good evening." The call went like this:

Me: "What's up, what's going on?"

Her: "Fine."

Me: "Let's meet tomorrow (Thursday, 7pm."

Her: "Okay, I'll see how it goes.")

Me: "Cool. I'll call you."

Then I ended the call. (I later regretted saying "I'll call you" — should have kept it tighter like "See you 7pm.")

THURSDAY (day of the planned meet; confirmation attempt): It started raining lightly that evening. Around 6:00 PM (I wanted to confirm because of the weather), I called to confirm the 7pm meet. She did not pick. This was the second time she had not called back after missing my call. At this point I decided to next her completely. I even want to delete her contact.

Additional Context — The Roommate (Girl B): During the initial move, I also interacted with her roommate, Girl B. In front of everyone (including Girl A), this happened:

Me: "I'm [My Name]. And you are?"

Girl B: "I'm [Girl B]."

Me: "All the girls I knw named [Girl B's Name] are always troublesome and stubborn."

Her (playfully defensive): "Me, I'm not a troublesome girl and I'm not stubborn!"

It was a clear, positive IOI. Recently when I saw Girl B on the street, she acted shy—avoiding eye contact, looking down, left, right, until we passed each other.

WHERE I’M AT MENTALLY NOW: At this point, with all the terrible failed experiences I've had over the years and my current stage (25 yrs, trying to establish my dream startup)... I want to totally drop girls and focus on my grind.

When I’m rich, have my dream car, and can travel the world — that’s when I’ll spin plates. At that point, I’ll be ruthless in my approaches. I won’t waste time on flakes or weak interest.

MY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FOR THE FORUM:

1. Initial Analysis: Based on the first interaction, was my read of her high interest level correct?

2. The Critical Mistake: Where did I go wrong? Was it calling too late (5 days)? The same-day date request? Or my passive “Okay” response?

3. Damage Control: Is my decision to next her and not contact her again the correct alpha move? Is there any recovering this?

4. The Roommate Switch: Should I consider Girl B, or is that a messy/desperate play that will blow up with both of them? If it’s viable, how should I approach it?

5. Direct Approach: Given my physique and looks, should I be more direct in future approaches? Rollo mentions directness can be effective if you are physically appealing, but I want the forum’s take on this for my specific situation.

6. Grind: Should I just forget girls totally for now? Honestly I'm losing interest. Totally.

CLOSING: Guys, I need your solid advice please — especially from men who have been at my stage and conquered. I’m okay with criticism, so be blunt.

ATTEMPT TO ANSWER YOUR OWN QUESTION:

• I feel I overated her interest levels(Girl A). Maybe she was just being a nice girl

• Following her roommate (Girl B) won't be wrong. I think it will create triangles among the girls.

Consider investing into a reliable ready reference you can pick up and study to better prepare yourself for engaging the opposite sex. I'd suggest that you get yourself a copy of Doc Love's "The System: The Dating Dictionary". Doc Love, who until his passing was also known as Tom Hodges, wrote a weekly advice column that's archive is mirrored on several mens focused sites and a podcast. His media is a bit pricey, but it's a solid foundation a guy can branch out from in RP aware circles. I'd suggest you review his advice column to decide if his view on dating and relationships is aligned with what you aspire for yourself. To save yourself a search, give this scribed link a gander to find out if his #book is something you'd like to add to your library. It should also be available on libgen.

@MidgetSpinner

Public apology to you all, and need help.

I made a post a week or so ago about a girl I started seeing who tested my boundaries and I walked away from her. I rationalised her behaviour in the comments and made a fool of myself.

I just want to say: I was wrong, and I apologise to everyone who lifted a finger to help me.

That said, I am now actually asking for your help and I am an open book willing to learn. I've gotta be honest and admit here exactly how I fucked up. It's gonna be embarrassing but it's the only way I can learn from this.

Here I go. We reconciled after I walked away, and things were great for the first few days, but then she started acting up again and once again I didn't tolerate it. The way she spoke to me was shit, mixed with being all over me again. This was confusing - talking down to me, snapping over little things, but the problem was that by this point a switch had occurred in me. I got oneitis.

We had a huge argument a week ago and I told her to go and fuck herself, and she got defensive and started acting like she didn't care. Shut the door on me and told me to never message her again, and I said bye bye and walked away.

We didn't speak for more than a week. Zero contact, but I did notice her snooping my Facebook stories. After a couple more days I reached out to her, and I know I shouldn't have, and her and her sister replied with a voice note mocking it basically.

I tried tragically to get her to talk to me, but she just kept reading the messages and staying silent which made me in turn more and more needy. There was an inner conflict in me between what I knew I should be doing, and what I felt compelled to do and the latter won. I fucked this up.

I gave her an ultimatum and told her she either says something or blocks me by midnight or I'm done. She ended up blocking me in the end. I was fueled by hopium and didn't expect her to call my bluff, and I ended up sending more desperate fucking messages trying to get her to speak to me. I stopped as of this morning, but I'm left feeling a mixture of pain, regret and shame at my behaviour.

Keep in mind I haven't been with a girl in over 3 years since my last relationship. All the red pill knowledge and experience in the world didn't save me from myself, and I was rusty and more vulnerable than I realised I would be going into this. The first week was a home run, I handled everything perfectly and I had no attachment - I was just enjoying her and that was that, but as I said, with drama turned a switch and instead of walking away fully, I leaned into it.

After those 3 years I felt strong again, and like I didn't need anything. My only intention was to get a lay, and I achieved that but I wasn't expecting to grow attached and behave like this. Just threw me through a fucking loop. At least the dry spell ended, but currently I don't wanna spin plates or anything like that - I've still got a lingering attachment to her, and I feel down and like I don't wanna do anything.

This is why I'm here. Please guide me out of this. I want my strength back and to learn from this rookie error. I don't ever wanna behave like this again, and I want more emotional resilience. Help me, brothers.

This time I will listen.

Answer to my own question: Enforce discipline, redirect my energy towards my goals and growth. Cut off all reminders. Reflect on behaviour. Read sidebar.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtwiAkUj5Go

It's good to read that you're beginning to hurdle your ego to consider scrutinizing the advice offered. Make the time to study the book and decide for yourself if it has any utility. Best of luck to you going forward.

@Typo-MAGAshiv

D) I keep hearing conflicting reports of entry vs exit wounds on Charlie Kirk, and I'm sure there's a lot that needs to come out in greater detail

A Marine with combat experience was the first person I heard reporting watching the bloody close up video that emerged on day one, and he was emphatic in insisting upfront that "You don't want to see that!!!:

The examining physician's claims, now exist as part of the Official Narrative. He claimed that "the bullet" reportedly shot from a 30.06 and entering the front of his neck. Got stopped "by MIRACLE and Charlie's remarkably healthy and dense bone structure, namely the vertebrae of his neck. THAT is part of the current Canon of the Official Narrative, thus open to debate about the plausibility of this specific scenario at face value.

@Typo-MAGAshiv

B) why would a hunter use a round that would ruin the meat?

A trophy hunter, who doesn't want to have to track the wounded animal miles farther from his car to retrieve the head. Of course a subsistence or freezer filling hunter would select a weapon and ammo carefully, with power commensurate with his goals. The Charlie Kirk shooter, if actually Tyler Robinson acting alone, was goal oriented to kill his target decisively, in one shot, using a weapon and ammo already available to him, not carefully selected for a human neck.

YouTube and other internet places of discussion are still talking about it quite a bit.

And everywhere I see and attempt to discuss this with MAGA and other self identified Right Wing Americans, they are perfectly happy running with the Violent Left Marxist shooter theory that magically appeared fully formed simultaneously everywhere on the internet while Charlie's blood was still liquid, cherry picking elements of the Official Narrative that support their partisan POV, and aggressively attack anyone who dares challenge the emergent groupthink by questioning or doubting any element of said Narrative.

You personally reached post nationalist nut clarity after some pretty extreme initial impulses, but I'd say a majority of MAGA still remain deeply entrenched in a rut of lashing out against anything they remotely consider Left.

I have a developing theory in mind, that it will turn out that Israel at best took advantage of the Kirk Shooting to try to foment and provoke a bloody Civil War pitting the American Right against the American Left, the latter of which they have brought to bear much political and financial pressure against, for their loud and persistent stance against their deadly treatment of Palestinians.

Emerging evidence shows that Kirk and TPUSA weren't spontaneous results of his fortune teller like gift for cold reading people and using it to persuade college students with Right Wing talking points and debate strategy on thesheer objective merits of these.. TPUSA got nurtured and lavishly funded by ZiOligarchs, and this was conditional upon towing the Zionist agenda as a component of his Right Wing branded and sheepdogging program. Multiple sources close to him said Charlie felt pressured and even blackmailed by his Zionist handlers and was on the verge of turning away from them, with his young Republican cohort already plummeting in their support for Israel, with revulsion over the ongoing Genocide against Palestinians the driver.